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Nanuk's list of arguments for Eleventh Amendment

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  • Its hard to imagine, what 'any other personal or social condition or circumstance' might ever mean. As long as that is not clear, i'd be cautious with such a statement. For (an exaggerated) example: if i dont have a car and i am ill, is it a discrimination, when the state doesnt pay for my cab to the doctor ? Or if i am too lazy to work, that could be seen as a personal condition. This wording leads way too far and is unprecise, so it is better to cut it.
  • e.g. german constitution (Art. 3) speaks of 'gender, birth, race, language, provenance, beliefs, religious/political points of view and disablement. So if anyone thinks the removed part of the sentence leaves a gap, it should be filled with comparable precise wordings.


Amendment undermining fight against discrimination

"may not in any way be discriminated against on account of birth, race, sex, religion, opinion or any other personal or social condition or circumstance"; if the highlighted part is removed, discrimination against the homosexual, the poor, the disabled, etc, becomes allowed. Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 states, article 2, "Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status."; though there are later articles like 16th that make incomplete coverage -"without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion"-, article 2 reflects the essential nature of the concept of ensuring that human rights apply to all mankind, without exceptions, without discrimination. Aiarakoa 06:39, 7 November 2008 (CET)